I think we should keep the long major as six in first and second seat. I don't think there's any advantage in retaining the 8-11/10-13 ranges. Because immediate action is inhibited by not knowing opener's suit, it pays to use the Multi as a first-strike weapon. Therefore the usual 5-11 range, the actual strength depending on position and mutual vulnerabilities is more appropriate. We lose the advantage of lightening the load on 1-major we had with Fantunes Twos. But the single-suit option wasn't the main incentive, rather those hands that might be frozen out when 1M is overcalled with 2-minor. With that in mind I think there is an argument for retaining the 8-11/10-13 ranges for the Muiderberg 2H/2S - what do you think? You have the Horton/van Cleeff book, 'The Mysterious Multi' I believe. (PDF available for review purposes.) I've taken a few things from there - a bit mix and match - but the ingredients are as I play with Mike Ash. Possibly we could lift the Muiderberg treatment (I quite like the Modern style). Three-way 2D ------------- a) Weak two in major, almost always six, 5-11 ATV b) Balanced 24-25 c) Game force with 6+ diamonds and 4 cards in hearts or clubs. The idea is that 2C - 2D; 3D allows responder a second negative of 3H, now opener's 3S is natural but that's the only suit lower than 3NT. Therefore primary diamonds and secondary hearts/clubs go via 2D. I accept that our use of the 'Heart Murmur' 2D/2H lessens that consideration but it's no bad thing to have a waiting bid after opener's 3D rebid, whether or not responder's first move was an artificial 2D or 2H. Also we might one day embrace the 2C = strong or weak 2D gadget... Responses --------- 2H Pass/correct 2S P/C 2NT Suit and range-ask 3C Hearts 3D Spades 3H P/C 3S Nat, INV 3NT To play 4C TRF to major 4D Puppet to 4H 4H P/C 4S To play! i) 2H/3H/4H are pass correct - as is 2S ii) 2NT asks iii) 3-minor/4-minor are artificial iv) 3S/4S are natural v) 3NT is natural Memory rule: opener only ever names his suit when responder bids 2S or hearts at any level. With good hands (strong NT+) the most common response is 4C. Use 2NT/3-minor when other-major or NTs is possible. 2NT also serves as an invitation when responder can invite in both majors (and therefore cannot risk 2H/S in case the auction ends there). 2D - 2H ------- Pass Weak hearts 2S Weak spades (3H to play) 2NT Strong balanced 3C D+C 3D D+H 2D - 2S ------- Pass Weak spades 2NT Strong balanced 3C D+C 3D D+H / Weak hearts max (3S to play) 3H Weak hearts min (3S to play) 2D - 2NT -------- 3C Bad hand 3D/H H/S, Non-min, good suit (3H/S forcing, shortage next?) 3S/NT H/S, non-min, good hand ( 4C/D/NT strong types 2D - 2NT 3C - 3D "bid other major" 3H Pass/correct 2D - 3-minor ------------ Always constructive, typically used with good hands and 5-1 in the majors but potential to improvise (avoid opener's bad singleton). You can always play 3-either major, so 6-0/7-0 is possible. Step responses, raise of minor (step-5) and above indicates striking opener's long major. First such bid is no shortage / shortage in named suit (NGF style). Opener's strong hands start at 4NT... 2D - 3C 3D 0/1 support (3H/S NF) 3H 2 support (3S NF) 3S 3 support 3NT 4 support 4C 5/6 support, no shortage / short club 4D 5/6 support, short diamond 4H 5/6 support, short spade 2D - 3D 3H 0/1 support (3S NF) 3S 2 support 3NT 3 support 4C 4 support 4D 5/6 support, no shortage / short diamond 4H 5/6 support, short heart 4S 5/6 support, short club I think we should play cheapest bid asks for shortage after a 3+ rebid. In competition -------------- We switch off the constructive 3-minor (they become natural NF) but retain as far as possible, i) 2NT as a constructive ask ii) 4C as "bid by TRF" iii) 4D puppet to 4H iv) pass/correct raises v) 3S as natural vi) 3NT as natural Additionally, vii) Double is negative (to avoid inferring the wrong suit) viii) Responder's 3-level cue is a stopper ask. ix) Opener's cue in response to any action is a strong type x) If responder passes opener bids strong types naturally After double, although H/vC suggest using a 'parking lot redouble' to get out in responder's own suit, I'm not a fan of that here. My favoured treatment allows opener to bid a fit suit if advancer bids 3-minor. Pass = diamonds XX = 'name your suit' 2H = P/C but compete in spades 2S = P/C but compete in hearts 2NT = (i) 3-minor = NF 3H = P/C That's it, pretty much. Chris